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this is like a digital network. almost like a tv station. we take you inside a terrorist turf war that has surprised al qaeda, the united states and ourle allies -- or did it? >> now, >> now from studio j at fox news headquarters here is greta van s sustern. >> what is isis and what do they want? for the past decade, oliver north and his war stories team have made 15 trips to iraq where isis is gaining ground. oliver north joins us. what does isis want? >> a caliphate, a country of their own that goes from the levant to the persian gulf and they want to control every aspect of it, politically, diplomatically and of course carry out sharia law in that part of the world they claim as a new islamic state. >> is there any indication they
would stop at that? >> no they said they would take the fight to the united states and western europe but that is all part of their global caliphate that is a long-range plan. people say these terror organizations don't have a plan beyond tomorrow because so many of their followers want to die in the process. in ancient revolutions like the 1917 revolution they wanted to survive the experience. relatively few of those engaged in this fight do want to survive the experience. >> what are we doing, the united states, to stop this? >> not enough if the idea is to dry isis we started the wrong way. first the obama bugout from iraq in 2011. and now you're looking at situation where they literally dominate the arab part of syria and iraq all the way down to
south of baghdad and of course they're making millions of dollars a day from oil revenues in addition to the money they have stolen from banks and in addition from the money they make from everything from extortion to ransom. >> you dug into how isis came about. let's take a look at that. >> isis clearly at this point is the world's foremost terrorist group and it's a territorial jihadist state. >> timothy furnish has a ph.d. in islamic history and served in the u.s. army as an arabic speaking specialist. but unlike al qaeda it is focused on the near enemy and create the largest caliphate it can in the arab middle east and that includes much of the territory of syria and iraq. >> isis has effectively erased the border between the two countries. >> the islamic state bases its claim to the caliphate on two main things a literal reading of the koran or hadiths.
>> they follow the path of mohamed who established the first islamic state in the 17th century. >> they talk about all the lands who have ever been part of islam. >> this is one of the world's foremost middle east scholars. >> they see the lands of islam as being invaded and occupied by nonmuslims. >> the militants are led by their self proclaimed leader, abu bakr al-baghdadi. their goal? to drive out the infidels from the land where islam has reigned for century. >> the last caliphate, the ottoman one was disestablish after world war i. they think their caliphate which is arab is more legitimate than the ottoman caliphate was. it was, of course oh, turkish. isis and the islamic state
clearly believe that the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of sunni islam. anyone who is only muslim is deemed a heretic and is liable to death or certainly exile. >> isis emerged from the terror group of al qaeda in iraq. >> the predecessor was jamaha. >> during operation iraqi freedom. he was the head of aqi, battles u.s. coalition forces on the streets. >> isis has been able to eclipse al qaeda primarily by the fact they rule a state. they're not hiding in caves and on the margins of the world. they have afghanistan and many against our forces in iraq as well as many against the
government forces of bashar al-assad in syria. when you add those to the fact that the united states has not been in there in any force for several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is estimated to have 30,000 fighters from 70 countries. the way they achieve their goals is horrific. >> when isis takes over a sunni territory it imposes strict islamic law, sharia, amputations for stealing, crucifixes and such. isis refer to the beheading of unbelievers on the battlefield. >> all indications show many if not all isis fighter have a fanatical belief to fighting to the death. >> they really have -- general dempsey said this, an apocalyptic viewpoint. isis is clearly talking about end of time battles, armageddon
type battles. >> so isis is still on this ancient quest but now it's using 21st century technology. let's bring in catherine herridge. she's the author of "the next wave." nice to see you. can you date when isis began and how it was able to move so swiftly? >> isis is a continuation of what we know as al qaeda in iraq. this is al qaeda 3.0. it's younger, leaner, meaner, and it's a generation that really grew up with social media. and this is the life blood of the digital jihad. this is how they can spread their message and give the impression they are in the united states as well. >> but 30,000 people in roughly a year and a half, two years? i realize it's hard to date it.
>> i find the 30,000 number extremely significant. it's unusual for the cia to release a number in such a public way. i believe that's an effort to further support or justify the strategy now and it's a reflection of the fact that the cia is politicized on this issue. when you speak to people in the intelligence community they don't have a great handle on how many people are in theater fighting on behalf of isis. >> we just learned more than 70 countries, you know, it's moved so quickly. >> it's catherine pointed out. they are experts in social media. in the days of aqi no one had heard of twitter and facebook. the significant point of the number of recruits from foreign countries of course is that many of them are feared to be able to return to their countries. and so you -- there's the possibility that youngsters who
have been trained, equipped, fought and now come back know how to build an ied, or commit suicide wearing a bomb vest made of nothing more or less than what two brothers found useful at a boston marathon. >> how is our intelligence gathering? everyone is talking about isis. has the intelligence gathering been such that we are following this or are we behind? >> based on our reporting since 2009 this was on the radar for at least five years and what we know now from our reporting is that the president was receiving information about the growing threat from isis or the rise of isis in iraq and syria for at least a year in the president's daily brief. this is the most highly prized and classified document that's produced by the intelligence community. this idea that the intelligence community let the president down or they were blind sided doesn't hold water. >> how isis is using earthquakes and yelp reviews and naked
>> have you seen the video? >> not all of it. we don't want to see that. that's their propaganda. they want to frighten us. and that's their brutal propaganda. we don't need to see that. >> that was james foley's mother talking to me in their new hampshire home. how is isis using these vicious murders with their social media savvy to get new recruits? here's catherine herridge. >> to understand isis, you have to look at how propaganda has
evolved since 9/11 with social media. the attacks used 19 men in four hijacked airplanes to kill nearly 3,000 people in new york city, the pentagon, and in shanksville, pennsylvania. >> we have been traveling around the united states. >> from southern california, it was adam who has emerged as the english speaking spokesperson for osama bin laden's al qaeda network. >> they have the ones that started this dirty wars. >> he is still missing and has million dollar reward on his head and as fox news has reported it was this dual city citizen who went from being invited to a luncheon to a digital recruiter for al qaeda. he turned operational. >> with the command of english, arabic and the internet. anwar awlaki was linked to the underwear bomber, the times
square bombing, the fort dix six and the massacre at fort hood. >> he was killed in 2011 but lives on through this man. even after serving time in a yemeni prison for his actions on behalf of awlaki he announced his support for the caliphate press. he tweeted this photo of himself with awlaki. but isis has taken social media to a new level. >> isis uses all platforms everything from facebook to twitter to yelp restaurant recommendations in iraq or syria. because they use all these different platforms they get a lot of access to the younger set.
>> richard reynolds is a retired army officer who spent half of his 30-year career in the middle east. investigating terrorists and their network of contacts. >> we see as much as 120 languages used by isis in accounts. >> people may not have homes or jobs or cars but everyone has a phone. >> isis has a media center. >> just seems to me that isis, almost has a rapid response team. an event happens, they've got their message up. where al qaeda can sometimes take weeks to respond. isis also hijacks news events online using a sophisticated media center. investigators are analyzing the highly produced execution videos. >> the media center in syria, this is like a digital network. it's almost like a tv station. >> they have the ability to move camera, lighting, sound, into an
austere situation, do the deed without being molested, nobody is dropping bombs on them. move back to their media center and get it on the web in a manner of minutes. they have the capability to get the equipment and money to do it. >> does it look to you they have a team with professional training? >> yes. >> and maybe former journalists? >> there is some suspicion that some people in the music industry is helping them with music and sound maybe even with executions. >> and it's media guru is believed to be this 33-year-old american from the boston area now on the fbi's most-wanted terrorist list. >> he was born in france and speaks multiple languages. he can appeal across multiple platforms.
>> this is what isis is doing online now. >> see them taking hashtags and sending out their material. >> they are looking at what is trending in the u.s. and hijacking that. they did that with the nude celebrity pictures. >> exactly. >> how quickly can some kid in st. louis make a decision, make contact, make a decision and go to syria. >> days, hours. >> days? >> we'll see someone read a social media entry. it resonates and they go out and take their mom and dad's credit card and buy an airplane ticket and fly off to turkey or jordan or lebanon. >> why are terrorists using pajamas and recipe in their posts? >> isis puts their message in the open. you just need to know where to find it. and if you collect and sift through the information, what investigators say aggregate the information you can see what they're talking about most.
but what often jumps out are phrases like so cute or pajamas or peanut butter and investigators are trying to dill down to see if this may be a code or a message they are trying to communicate under the radar. >> this is different from al qaeda. the isis versus al qaeda is hugely different. >> it's a generational divide. with isis they found a way to use social media that pours gasoline on the fire of radicalization. in the old days, and when i say the old days i'm talking about 9/11 it used to be for someone to be recruited or radicalized they had to have one-on-one contact the mentoring thing. but social media has erased that and younger people who have grown up with social media make that contact online so intimate they can have that confidence to
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million u.s. bounty on his head. in july, he made a rare public appearance at mosque in mosul, iraq. he calmly cleaned his teeth before speaking to a captive audience. the self proclaimed leader went on a 15-minute rant. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> abu bakr al-baghdadi has proclaimed himself two different terms the caliph. which means successor to mohamed as political and military leaderer. >> when video was posted online it was the first time that many of his followers had laid eyes on him. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> he was also known as ibrahim al awad. sometimes also al samari. from that part of iraq.
he is an islamic scholar even though western scholars have ridiculed his credentials. >> abu bakr al-baghdadi has been a shadowy presence for a long time. >> kevin carole served three times in iraq and afghanistan. after his military service he was a cia case officer in the middle east. >> there were questions asked to whether he was existed. he was confused with a high value target who led al qaeda in iraq who was killed. he may have just been in the battle of fallujah when the marines went into fallujah in 2004 and 2005. he is reportedly in custody in 2005 to 2009. >> the noun closed prison camp was named after a new york city fire marshall killed in 2011.
>> he was improperly let go out of custody in 2009. >> details are sketchy about what happened next. >> we do know that al qaeda had a great amount of autonomy within those camps in iraq. they still kept their command structure. they were still ordering and planning attacks from inside custody. >> in the years following his release. baghdadi climbed the ranks of al qaeda in iraq. later they rebranded themselves as isis. >> he clearly leapfrogged ahead of al qaeda by going ahead and declaring a territorial state, something that has in many ways, empowered isis, the islamic state to really now lay claim to being the chief islamic terrorist organization in the world. >> i'm back with colonel oliver north and joining us is the author of "future jihad" where is he, al baghdadi?
>> he is probably in syria. the place from which they branched out and taken from the levant to the south of baghdad as of yesterday. more than likely very well defended. and i think they have the same kind of physical infrastructure to protect them that we saw recently in gaza. >> you agree? i saw you nodding your head. >> they know and they built their infrastructure in raqqah. the president was so fixated on his red line about assad using chemical weapons and that's when baghdadi jumped from iraq into syria and they built the headquarters there. and that's when they really began their plans on this caliphate and islamic state
taking over oil fields. that's where they get their revenue, taking over airfields, taking over all the elements that are needed to make a state and doing public crucifixions. we have been reporting on that all along. building this caliphate and their headquarters he must be there because he has the protection but at times he shows his face to invigorate the cause and radicalize others to join them as well. >> that's why the syria part of this is so important. the president doesn't talk about syria and the air strikes are not in syria but if he is hiding there and he is the leader. >> the thing about him being in raqqah. that is the capital. this is his office and headquarters but he may not be there. why? they have learned from what we have done in yemen with the drone. they learned what was done with killing bin laden and he will have to communicate unlike with bin laden who has cut off everything. he is the chief of staff of the forces so there are communications. officially he could be there but he could be mobile.
>> any idea where he is in. >> all the area between mosul and raqqah is the area he could be moving. >> that is one of the extraordinary problems we have. we have become so dependent on signals intelligence we have almost no human intelligence on the ground inside syria to give us reports on where he might be. >> stay with us. coming up we'll take a closer look at the head of isis' media wing. new information about his american roots.
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armed and dangerous. they are being held on charges ranging from armed robbery to attempted murder and are believed to be gang members. we don't know how they managed to escape from the jail. an increase in security at the white house after two security breaches in less than 24 hours. fritd authorities arrested a man who jumped over a fence and ran through the front door. we learned he had a knife. on saturday another man refused to leave after driving up to a white house gate. many criticizing the secret service, but president obama insisting he has faith in the agency. now back to "greta investigates." >> so who is isis' new boston-bred pr guru?
>> he should be considered to be armed and dangerous. he is a threat to the neighborhood. >> he was the special agent in charge during the boston bombing investigation and put a catholic schoolboy on the fbi's most-wanted terrorist list. >> these are individuals who reside in the united states who are radicalized on their own oftentimes through access to online materials. >> so is ahmad abousamra the head of the propaganda machine? if so it wouldn't be the first time. until he was killed by a drone in yemen, sammir kahn led the online magazine, "inspire" and now isis has ahmad abousamra. >> the suburbs of boston not far from where the patriots play football. >> abousamra was the son of a harvard educated doctor. >> he went to a high school that
is a catholic school. then he comes over here just for his senior year. we don't know why he left xaverian. but he graduated here. the principal said he fit in. he was not out of the ordinary too much. >> he studied computer science for three years in northeastern university and during this time period he became radicalized. he and his would be jihadi friends would spend their nights watching jihadi videos and plotting to become part of the action. >> post 9/11 they start to, you know, hate america. >> he traveled overseas on several occasions. his first travel was in april of 2002 when he traveled to pakistan for the purpose of seeking out military style training. >> they failed in their first attempt. so they returned to the u.s. to try to kill at home. according to these court records, in 2003, abousamra and
his associates plotted an attack on civilians at a shopping mall and conspired to kill condoleeza rice and attorney general john ashcroft. again they failed. >> on or about february 13th 2004, mr. abousamra travelled to the fallujah area of iraq. >> there he may have made an important connection. >> abousamra was in fallujah at the same time that we believable that baghdadi was in fallujah. >> but what about connections back in boston? at least eight known terrorists attended this cambridge mosque, a point the mosque denies. >> is there any information you can give us about this guy, abousamra? do you remember seeing him the? >> no clue. >> why do you think this mosque keeps ending up attached to terrorists? >> it's a false accusation, you know, nobody knows. this is a mosque. everybody is welcome.
>> after his jihad tour, abousamra returns home to boston and completes his computer science degree at u mass. he and others began to translate online messages from bin laden's inner circle. >> by 2006 the fbi initiated an investigation and spoke with him. >> the coconspirators would use code words like peanut butt per and jelly. >> what are you doing. >> i'm in culinary school and i just made peanut butter and jelly. >> shortly after that interview, mr. abousamra fled overseas to an area that we believe to be alepto, syria. >> in 2012 he was convicted in boston and is now serving 17 years. he refused our request for interview. >> december 2013, mr. abousamra was elevated to the fbi's most-wanted terrorist list. >> this is the real deal. he knows a lot and they want him and if he's found anywhere on the planet they're going to grab
him. >> he tried to track down abousamra's father who moved to detroit. neighbors said that they believe the doctor moved to syria. but we found him employed at a university in qatar. how does an american get so radicalized and become the media guru for such a vicious organization? >> we are going to find a lot of abousamras. what we do in america is when we find someone what school, what was the situation with the parent. the reality is that the ideology has touched him. and it will touch others. the question is who has indoctrinated these people. once they are indoctrinated they are as diverse as we can see. i think abousamra could have been in al qaeda. now this generation of al qaeda followed isis because isis is
more effective on the ground. it showed them through the video they could plant a flag and control an area and that is why many are now switching to isis. >> what about women? are women recruited? >> women are one of the biggest targets right now particularly women in the u.s. from isis' point of view if you want to glow the caliphate and procreate and have jihadi families and help with revenue. you can sell them as sex slaves. the men need women for their sexual needs and they are open about that. from the women's point of view this is how they think they can help the cause. this is their contribution to the jihad. whether they get paid or lured into a love affair online this is what's going on. >> abousamra, if we caught him and he were willing to talk he would be a wealth of information. >> he would be.
but what is more important is what they just said about the effect of what he is doing. if he is the propagandist, the fact that the entire iraqi army north of baghdad bolted after they put up videos of executions they were carrying out, and the advance north into kurdistan is because they were showing what they could do to christians and literally crucifying children. there's not been in modern times a propaganda arm as effective as this one. this guy is not only wanted because he is a part of a criminal enterprise he is wanted because he has learned how the attract tens of thousands if you believe the numbers, into this cause of isis. >> how the you defeat that? >> we are dealing with something new. abu bakr al-baghdadi the commander of al qaeda or before that he is not just an expert on
islam but on islamic history. it's going to the time that baghdad was the capital of the caliphate damascus was the capital of the caliphate. people believe he is bring it back. how to defeat them basically. in addition to the military strike this is a generational issue. we have to intercept the next generation. these guys were 12-year-old or 14-year-old on 9/11. we have to make sure that the next-generation is not going to go jihadist. >> the influence of iran is what? on this whole problem. >> iran is the biggest winner in all of this. because they are still holding the puppet strings and keeping assad in power in syria. in iran the human rights violations. no one is calling them out on that. the west has loosened the sanctions and have the economic breathing space. they are not afraid their people will be out on the streets and we have given them the time to go after the nuc program that is missing. and time to play out the clock
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he has followed terrorist money trails for more than a decade. nice to see you. where is isis getting its money? >> it's getting some from resources. it's controlling territory now. the biggest is oil. we used to think $2 million a day and then it was rolled back to a little under a million. let's say it is half a million dollars a day, i'd take that paycheck. that's a lot of money. they are also getting it from donors in the gulf. the problem is they have always been primarily financed through localized crime in iraq. meaning that isis is what used to be the islamic state of iraq, it's all the same thing. even back during 2005-2006-2007, their primary funding for the insurgency was through localized crime. kidnapping for ransom and political corruption, et cetera. we have tools to deal with the
oil they are siphoning off we don't have tools to deal with their crime at home because we don't have boots on the ground. >> what was the reason for having an enormous ransom figure for james foley. they wanted 130 million american dollars. if they have all this oil money coming in. maybe some countries pay ransom but they would not get 130 million from any country. >> they also know that the united states and united kingdom have a no ransom policy anyway and this was an exaggerated figure because they didn't intend to ransom him off. >> the oil on the black market is there may way to shut that down. if they are selling it for $60 a
barrel, that's going to look pretty good. >> some of the other smugglers are selling 50 or $40 a barrel and because turks pay so much there is a market. if you can find someone who can get that oil you are find people who will smuggle it. but they have to drive the trucks across the border and work with middlemen in syria and turkey. we can target them. law enforcement, treasury designations and the military. >> there are ways to do it. why aren't we doing it or are we doing it? >> this was a political decision. the president had to decide we were going to start tackling isis. secretary of defense hagel says that we will target the money and oil in particular. my concern is how we say we are going to do it on the iraq side but not on the syrian side of the border. if we don't squeeze in iraq and syria we're not going to get very far. >> how do we fight this growing threat? and can we win? that's next. they're custom made trains.
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isis is. can we help the kurds? >> it's not a question of helping the kurtds but can kurds help the world? many of us are depending on them along with others in the middle east to come together to fight isis. we need to support them, train, arm them and provide intelligence and the air power to make sure they are successful. >> the isis took over in january. mo sul in the summer. >> the kurds are key to northern iraq fighting for kurdistan. we with should be helping them and should have helped a long time ago. if you are talking about as many have said squeezing the balloon and letting them back in, the kurds won't fight that fight for us. folks on the ground now say it will take 6 to 12 months to train, equip, vet and send back into the field the so-called free syrian army. that will number 5,000 people.
by the time they get back from being trained in saudi arabia you will have 45,000 to 50,000 isis fighters fighting a two-fronter war. the free syrian army against assad and isis. it's a formula for disaster. >> it's 15,000 more than they have now of isis with 5,000 more iraqis trained or kurds. >> one equation is if we don't do strategic action in the next few weeks isis will double. this is going faster than before. 15,000, doubled to 30,000. they are not recruiting anymore. they are drafting people against tens of thousands of young men asked to join isis. >> when you look at a solution to defeating isis, each thing you talk the about is thes but not sufficient. you talk about a arming the kurds. that's one part of it coming at one angle. come at them in their pockets. they are so rich, they can grund
grow. you have to hit them in the cyber capability sos they can't recruit. long term you have to look at it. they keep evolving because the ideology exists. we have to stop looking at it as a reactionary type of solution. what's their motive to strike now? >> why not? >> in the u.s. there is concentration in this part of the world. they say they want the caliphate. we have radicalized americans and terrorism here. >> if we pressure them they will try to deter us. if you don't strike full fledged they will do it. if they do, they will order the strike. >> if we do nothing. >> they would do nothing and continue in the middle east. if they do, they will get to a situation. we'll have iran. >> unstoppable. the thing to do now is to use the air power to go after high value targets and alexis support versus training centers.
>> and the money. >> yes. but you don't use air power for it. that's all we have now. no one captured a piece of ground or set a terrorist free with air power alone. it takes rough men with rifles on the ground. >> you can imagine it. some people have to go in. some other people should not go in. he would make it into the sunni. iran should not. everybody else is important. kurds in iraq and syria. also in both countries. >> where will we train the fighters. >> they will be trained in saudi arabia. we have to get them out of syria into perhaps turkey or jordan. fly down to put special forces on the ground and train between six and 12 months after they have been vetted. mission impossible. >> thank you very much. thank you for joining us tonight if you want to know more about isis and how the u.s. is
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